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Posted by: Kelly Bramble

03/30/2008, 15:11:44

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Many of us don't see a difference between design and engineering, however many do and can illustrate the differences. Before I state my views, how do you see the difference (if there is a difference) between engineering and design?







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Posted by: randykimball

04/02/2008, 17:31:41

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Somewhere in the mist of all this chatter I seem to recall some one saying they would grace us with their "view" of the difference of designing and engineering after everyone else stated the official peer committee established, composite version. I here by declare that I'm right and everyone else is wrong, unless they disagree.




The worst suggestion of your lifetime may be the catalyst to the grandest idea of the century, never let suggestions go unsaid nor fail to listen to them.


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Posted by: Kelly Bramble

04/02/2008, 19:04:02

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You talking to me? Ok, I admit I have stalled as long as I can. Some are aware that I travel all over the US and the world to train and consult in GD&T and DFM. I am always looking for the "right" words to communicate effective ideas, principles and so forth.

When I talk design and engineering I get mixed reviews on my perceptions and descriptions. Typically, when I describe or refer to engineering and design within large organizations I view these professionals mostly as separate but interactive functions or professions. To me, design is often what one sees or interacts with. Engineering is ultimately the science or details that enable the design to last, endure the applied stresses and strains, transfer heat energy, etc... Manufacturing is the gateway to bring design and engineering to reality.

I am aware that within many small companies engineers wear many hats. These hats include design, engineering and manufacturing.








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Posted by: Marky

04/02/2008, 10:47:21

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The difference between Design and Engineering? About 30 grand a year!! (Rim Shot!!!) Thank you, Thank you...I'll be here all week..Be sure to tip your waiter and try the veal.




I'll kindly pay you Tuesday..for a hamburger today....Whimpy


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Posted by: CCR5600Design

04/02/2008, 14:35:56

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Marky,

Don't quit your day job! (I am, however, still laughing)

Never a dull moment in here....


Ron





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03/31/2008, 09:24:49

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Well, in today's meaning of the term, there isn't much difference. But I am old enough to remember the transition from when the word "engineer" was a noun, and a noun only. An engineer was a person. You could not "engineer" something. Guess who the guilty party is - advertising companies (those bulwarks of precise language). They were looking for something more powerful than the phrase "well designed cars". I think Dodge was the first, when they started talking about how well their cars were "engineered". Not only was it incorrect grammar, no one ever used the word that way. I guess it worked, because now the word engineer is both a noun and a verb.







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Posted by: Bruised

04/01/2008, 08:58:29

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Two things were described to me on day one of my university degree in engineering:
i) an engineer must be aware of their assumptions
ii) the word 'engineer' came from the latin 'los ingenus', meaning 'the ingenious'.

The term also applies to train drivers, and surely there is no coincidence that the term 'engine' exists.

I see engineering as applied science, and design as applied engineering. If you consider a spectrum that spans from back laboratory boffin and across to, um, bricklayer? tyre technicican, painter?? you'll find scientist, engineer, designer and constructor at regular intervals. Construction could be regarded as applied design, or design implementation.

I've also noticed that feedback to and fro on this spectrum can be tricky. I'm always careful to avoid terms like up/down when speaking on information flow because the rockape with no idea about the standards and the concepts oft curses the office jockey with the computer, who oft curses the eccentric nerd with the degree with no idea about how to weld/excavate/document the basis for a design who oft curses the wiseguy drafter who won't listen or the construction contractor who 'had no right' to alter the 'design' because the drawing shows a square peg in a round hole that is bigger than the structure it passes through! Hopefully that demonstrates the natural boundaries between people that tends to form in the industry.

Since day one of the degree I've learned to listen carefully and also to stand my ground when others won't listen - there are so many free ideas and solutions with this approach, and it's easy to be confident when you know you've listened carefully.

I just wish project managers wouldn't use the word 'manage' to describe what they do - they're journalists!!








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Posted by: randykimball

04/01/2008, 13:03:24

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Whatever you said... I agree.

..I really like the part where I'm "los ingenious".
... except on Monday.. but mostly while I'm asleep... my sleeping mind is far brighter than my awake mind.... I just wish I could get the two to communicate better.
... really... It is not at all uncommon to awake with a clear and simple solve to a problem I struggled with all the day before.

I consider the design part when I'm being creative and making an effort not to allow constrains to have too large of a controling aspect of the thought process.

I consider the engineering part when I apply sciences to establish the creative results into constrained reality.

.... SO ... I see designing as the application of talent and engineering as the application of science..... both are vital.

Thus my favored title "Machine Design Engineer".

I second the journalist comment.

so, what are the marketing folk... ya know? ..the ones that used to be honest and check with the engineers to see if their adds were accurate.?





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Posted by: CCR5600Design

04/01/2008, 14:43:45

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Quote from randykimball: "so, what are the marketing folk... ya know? ..the ones that used to be honest and check with the engineers to see if their adds were accurate.?"

Good question. A better question yet is: what are the salespeople? These are the people who tell the customer (without any discussion with the engineers or production team), "Yeah, we can make that for you and it'll cost you X amount of dollars."

Real_world experience - at least in my opinion - outweighs time spent with your nose in a book. A combination of both would be the best case scenario.

But, in answer to your initial question, an engineer is the person everyone points at when the boss blasts through the front door with steam coming out of his ears and fire in his eyes and asks, "WHY DOESN'T THIS BLASTED THING WORK?"

Sometimes, I am thankful I am not an engineer!


Ron





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