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Posted by: hassan johnmell

05/20/2005, 22:54:09

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Hi.I wonder about machines which works with atmospheric pressure(I mean the machine which uses atmospheric pressure as an energy source).Are there any machines works like this?Thanks so much.







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Posted by: Toolman

02/20/2006, 10:22:02

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Harnessing the wind is not the problem.
Our plant and my house are both 100% powered by wind generation.
Due to the design of the turbine difference in wind speed and generation, power drops are negligible
The problem is battery storage. With new advances in lithium based batteries maybe.







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Posted by: Think

02/19/2006, 03:43:08

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I think that motors using the weight of the atmosphere will one day be invented. Imagine a round machine creating a 100% frictionless tunnel by use of special light beams. The many tons of down pressure applied from the atmosphere would result in forward speeds of thousands of miles a minute without any sensation of movement. Such a vehicle would not be affected by gravity and would only work within an atmosphere. All forward movements would be in straight lines. However, a computer console could convert straight lines to many thousands of minature straight lines, thus resulting in curved movements in any direction.







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Posted by: Cragyon
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05/21/2005, 22:39:47

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I beleive the atmospheric pressure does cycle/change daily with temperature change between day and night. Such a machine would cycle very slowly unless a low/high pressure front is pushing through at the machines location.

I would suggest we expore a simple machine which relizes mechanical movment with changes in atmospheric pressure. The machine should also do work on somthing as well.








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Posted by: randykimball
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05/20/2005, 23:19:38

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Excuse the purity, but a barameter is a machine that works on atmospheric pressure changes, as well as does the basic altimeter. They use pressure changes to move a rack and turn a gear that has a needle attached. This is a machine.
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Posted by: hassan

05/21/2005, 13:53:50

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I am sorry.Infact I want to learn this:Is there any machine that produce electric energy from the energy of the atmospheric pressure?Thanks







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Posted by: randykimball
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05/21/2005, 19:00:09

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OK, let's see if we can get some interest from the group. Are you asking about pressure changes in sea level air pressure? As you must know there is work being done to produce power from the changes of tide height. Although driven by water pressure differences this is not so different from air pressure differences. Masses of air at different levels and moved from place to place at different temperatures cause pressure changes. Both are fluids. I'm trying to find out more clearely what you are defining as atmospheric pressure. If you could harness this, this is a good thing, free energy is of serious need. Please respond more in depth. I'm trying to get you to be more specific so the group can gain interest and respond.

Thank you!
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Posted by: hassan

05/22/2005, 00:36:28

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The section which I wonder about producing energy from the atmospheric pressure.How?Let me explain this:The air makes pressure because of its weight 1 kilogram per 1 cm2.Naturally this is a useful force to produce energy.How could we produce energy from this:We must set a system.And the atmospheric pressure mustn't balance in the system.The system always swing by the help of the atmospheric pressure.What kind of a system can it be?You can tell opinions.This can be a enjoyable brain storming.

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Posted by: Dave Fowler

03/13/2006, 00:58:07

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Your question and some of the replies demonstrate a misunderstanding...

Yes we have a lovely air pressure here that is usable...
in order to use that pressure to provide useful power we could put it into one end of a turbine, and have a vaccuum or partial vaccuum at the other end. Then the turbine would produce fabulous amounts of free energy.

The problem is.. how did we get the vaccuum at the other end?
It takes large amounts of energy to such the air out of something in order to produce this vaccuum or partial vaccuum.

A waterfall can produce power because the heavy water falls from up there to down here !

This air pressure generator will work if you can let the high pressure air that is here, flow into a low pressure area over there! Where is this low pressure area?

This is like trying to use the water in a lake to produce electricity without anywhere to let the water flow to... It doesnt work.

Same problem with using the hot air around us... we need cold air nearby in order to get any energy output.

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Posted by: randykimball
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05/22/2005, 11:05:33

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Just as amperage is the flow of electrical pressure potential from one place to another, wind is the flow of atmospheric air pressure potential from one place to another.

So, as I see it, what you are saying is we need to better harness the wind.

Air is simply a fluid held by gravity. So is water and we have been using the difference of pressure and weight of both wind and water for years.

A machine is simply a device which transfers or stores energy from one form to another. If this transfer of energy doesn't accomplish a needed process or result in a harnessable energy potential it is not very useful.

... So if I may... You are asking the readers to suggest or mention ways to harness the wind with machines that store large amounts of energy or do a task for us.

As you think of ways to harness the wind think on these already accomplished methods:

Farms survive in the world today because water is pumped from wells using the difference in atmospheric pressure, remember the humble wind mill.

Every day all over the world big wind turbines are turning power plants and producing power by harnessing the difference in atmospheric pressure from one area to another. As you know it takes many wind turbines to produce much power, and they are reliant on consistent wind flow.

Sail boats are machines that harness differences in atmospheric pressure. It takes a lot of energy to push a boat through water. Kites, sail planes, and blimps are a few other forms of machines using the energy from differences in atmospheric pressure. Man has harnessed atmospheric pressure for many, many years.

One suggestion is that you could concentrate on making the ability to produce that power more effective. For example, newly produced magnets are getting stronger and wire is becomeing more conductive, we can now cross more flux lines with improved conductors to produce more electricty than ever before.

However remember it will always take X amount of energy to produce X amount of energy, period. You can not create energy, you can only change its state. Therefore, wind at a low velocity will require tremendous volumes to produce much energy, just as wind at high velovity will create enormous amounts of energy. Energy is constant, you can only transfer what you can harness. Then you will loose some of that energy to losses as it excapes to transfer in the forms of heat, friction, and other routes. This is why we so often use hydro-electric damns. Nature gives us the renewable constant potential difference in water height and we harness this heavy fluid to spin turbines for the price of the equipment, maintainence, conductors, realestate, etc. Air is just a much lighter fluid therefore taking many times the volume to produce equal potential differences.


I understand you are seeking fresh ideas to harness the WIND (energy current from atmopheric pressure changes).

Are there new ways to harness the wind we haven't learned of? You bet there are, there is much to learn! Such an idea, if it stores large amounts of transferable energy, would be a welcomed machine. However, if it takes the state of Texas to power a city, it would not be reasonable.

There is a huge amount of energy there to tap, keep thinking. .... But, don't block my air... meaning ...don't forget to consider the environmental issues, as well.

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Posted by: Labtechy

06/08/2005, 11:55:50

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Very neat idea. With all the high rise buildings we have near here, why can't a wind turbine be fitted to harness the upward moving columns of air? Stand on the Empire State building and you'll see what I mean. Watch a Hawk catch and upward column of air and rise in altitude. If you've ever stood in a silo or shaft and felt the air move with great velocity it could be useful.
I live near a pump storage project in NY. Since Niagra falls never stops producing power, and the power demand drops at night, the excess power is used to pump water uphill to a resevoir then released when there is a peak demand. A giant battery so to speak. It comes on-line very quickly and it's really something to see.







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